Sophia Louisa

0:00 There were three of us and we're all the same age and I don't remember exactly what happened but all of a sudden everything got really quiet and the lights went out. And we were alone in the house. Kids were left alone at home a lot back then. Yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah. Remember, we also were children. Children of the '80s. Yeah. And so it just got like really creepy and really scary and the lights went out and then it was just, and then we tried to leave and the door went open. And so pretty much once we got the door open and we like ran out and she came. Hi, everyone, welcome to episode four of The Séance with HorrorMeet.com

0:44 where horror fans get to sit down with horror filmmakers. I'm your host, Landon Brittain, @landonxxl on socials. And I'm your other host, Danny, and @ohidanny on socials. And this is my dog, Freddy, on social. She's Frenchy Krueger. And today with us as our special guest, we have, is it Sophia Louise? Sophia Louisa. Sophia Louisa. Or just Sophia. Yeah. Well, so I'm gonna call you Sophia. I was gonna ask you whether the Louise was Louisa or before, but I didn't get there. Wonderful writer, actress, producer, podcaster, and comic book maker? All those things. And filmmaker. Yeah. And filmmaker.

1:36 Just gonna make a yeah. Sophia, do you wanna introduce yourself? Hi. Hi. And so yeah, so this is the wide and then that one is your little close up. So like we need to talk to that one, but you can talk to us too. I like the eye contact, you know? Hi, guys. We like to talk like this. I'm Sophia and I am what am I? Oh, I'm a creative. You're a creative. I'm in the creative flow and a lot of times I can take a lot of different shapes and forms. And lately it's been taking the form of filmmaking, from writing to, in fact, I just shot a short horror film yesterday. What? Yeah. I didn't know. Oh, wait, is that what you're wearing?

2:17 No, no, no, no, no. What I'm wearing is Much Too Vulgar. Much Too Vulgar for this podcast. It's amazing. Thank you. I love the way it looks. Thank you. And it's gonna be a freaking awesome movie too. Can you tell us a little bit about it? Yeah. It's based on the horror novel by Viggy Parr Hampton. She has written six horror novels. I feel like I'm going in and out. You are. Very cool. Let's get a little bit closer to you. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. I also turned up your game a little bit. Thank you. I had her on my podcast over a year ago. Wait, what's her name? Viggy Parr Hampton. Okay. And just so you know,

2:53 this is where I'll put a little pop up of Viggy right here. Viggy is awesome. She's so cool. And she's totally into horror. And she's written, she has six books published. Wow. She's like a totally awesome number. Is she only writing or is she also translating those to film? Obviously you're taking her writing and moving into film. When I met her, like I said, I interviewed her on my podcast. She is such a freaking awesome go-getter. She just cranks it out. I'm like, woman, you are a natural born producer. And we had a producer interested in the book. I mean, I wrote, I adapted it into a screenplay. And he was really interested in, and we talked about it and I said, you know,

3:34 we could really produce as ourselves, you know, and because that's something I want to do. I want to have, you know, eventually have my own studio and have my slate of work. And she agreed. And I'm like, okay, so we're doing this. We are going full steam ahead. And is that the name of the book as well? Yeah, Much Too Vulgar. What's it about? Oh, so it's set on... Much Too Vulgar to this guy, actually. Right. So many things in life are so vulgar, aren't they? Yeah, but not Much Too Vulgar. Most things are not vulgar enough in life. Right. So it's set on Georgetown campus and Viggy is an alumnus of Georgetown. And it's about this young woman who's a pre-med student.

4:14 And she really wants to be in this research program and she's not accepted. And she's told that it's full. And then this other Miss Perfect is accepted, even though they're full, they make an exception for her. And our protagonist pretty much loses it. She starts spiraling and becomes obsessed with her. And it's a story of obsession and jealousy and the lengths you're willing to go to get what you really want. So it's a girl-like horror movie. There's mainly just two girl characters. Yeah. And we have a lot of rats involved. Have you guys heard of parabiosis? I didn't either. So when you get two living beings and you merge them together so they share the

4:57 same circulatory system, that's parabiosis. Oh, like human centipede? No, that's the same digest. Wait. So wait, say it again. Parabiosis. Parabiosis. Right. And that is when you take two beings and merge them together to share the same circulatory system. Can you say that one more time? What was it called? Parabiosis. I swear, I saw a book fly after she said that. Really? It was like a Harry Potter thing. Parabiosis. Right? It's not parabiosis. It took me the longest time. Watch out. She's sitting in front of the board. You know? It's right there. Yeah, I know. Maybe we will ask. Oh, my God. Maybe I will touch after this. Oh, my God. I don't know.

5:40 And there's a Ouija board in the story, too. Oh. Yeah. We have a Ouija board. In the movie. In Much Too Vulgar. Yes. Okay. It's a parabiosis. Two people, same central nervous system. Yes. And is that like conjoined twins kind of thing? Or what does that mean? Well, I know. I'm not very scientific, you know? I am. And that's right. So the thing is, it's not been done. It's just a saying type of thing. It's not something that they've actually merged to animals because there was a doctor that tried to take like cow's heads and put a dog's head on it. Like or like... Yeah. There was, I forgot his name, but they were successful for minutes at a time. Yeah.

6:26 These type of things. That sounds like a Stephen King type of thing. But that's what I'm saying. So this is a theory. This isn't a real... No, apparently, it's really been attempted. That's what I'm saying. It's been attempted. Yeah. I don't know if it's actually been successful. So two beings, same central nervous system. You know, but I... I feel like we're cutting out a lot. Sure. Can we just Google it? He can Google it. Ask Claude. Oh gosh. It has to chat. Like on my computer. But in the story, you know, it's like, I'm not gonna say whether or not she achieves it, but she practices it a lot. Oh wow. Wow. You know what's great, guys?

7:02 If you really wanna know, you can just go out and buy her book and read it because that's what I'm gonna do because I wanna know everything. So I have a question for you because you seem like you know what you want and you've done stuff and you've made films. She had six books, but you chose one. Why? Oh, okay. Well, probably because when I interviewed her at the time, that was the book I was interviewing her about. And what was so cool is, you know, she's a 19 year old girl on campus, you know, so... The writer's not 19. I thought the same thing. I know. She's so good for 19. I know. Yeah. How old is... Oh, never mind. No. Don't ask that question.

7:43 But she's young. She's young. And she just writes a lot. She's very prolific. Yeah. And these are full novels. Full of novels, yeah. Viggy Parr Hampton or Viggyhampton.com. Viggyhampton.com. Check it out. Great stuff. Can I ask you one more question? That picture is something that's on the... Yeah. This is her. I mean... She gave you that? No, no, no. She gave you that thing? So the... That's actually her? This is Viggy. She's... Oh, shoot. Sorry, guys. Danny does this at least once a time when he comes... Don't worry about it. It's going to be funny. That's Viggy. Viggy takes place in tunnels. I mean, there's a lot of stuff that happens in the tunnels,

8:19 because Georgetown has these tunnels... I would just check in the grammar and make sure there's two O's on the two. Wait, so there's tunnels? Like actual tunnels. I would love to know more about them. Oh my God. And they're haunted. They're haunted. Georgetown's known to be very haunted. Yeah. And there's a cemetery on campus. Did you guys know that? I didn't know that. I did not know that. A Jesuit cemetery on campus. We should go there. I would love to. Right. So there's tunnels and then there's... So there's a lot of spooky stuff going on. And parabiosis. And how old is Georgetown's school? Must be from the like 1700s or something?

8:52 Oh, it's really old. That's what I'm saying. Wow. So we got some history in this movie and some truth. Right? To the movie. The exorcism. The exorcism took place at Georgetown near that. It's based on the real exorcism. I thought it was in London. No. Oh, the movie. I'm thinking of the movie. Well, the book was based on Healy Hall, I think. There was like a real actual exorcism that took place at Healy Hall at Georgetown. And that was what she wound up doing as the exorcist. What was it? No. Oh, the Linda Blair movie. Linda Blair. Yeah. We were just talking about that. We were at Frank & Son. He took them into Frank & Son yesterday.

9:30 That's where we got these shirts. Oh, that's where we got these shirts. Oh, do a shout out to your guy. Shout out to the guy at Frank & Son for these dope shit. You know his name, don't you? All right. No, I always forget his name. But you were that guy. Super nice. I got mine modified. All right. Well, would he want like a Much Too Vulgar shirt? I would love one. We should have all wore Much Too Vulgar. I don't think I'm gonna need that much chest area though. I can't help it. We don't mind it. I love that. So, I was wondering, do you think that... I love movies that have sequels and a lot of people don't,

10:02 but do you think that this movie would have sequel potential? Yes. She's already writing the book. Oh, wow. Okay, Landon, go ahead and ask your question. My bad, big dog. No, no. You're my co-host, man. You just take this. We also share one microphone just so we can't both speak at the same time. Because we're both deaf. Yeah. And because we're a little poor. But... This is a great setup, man. We were getting into, I know we talked about this prior to you coming on when we were doing your release and all that. I told you about the Ouija board and about the lightning round and I was like, are you okay doing it? Because I mean, it's a fun little thing that we do,

10:41 but if people have strong feelings for the Ouija board, you're not the first one to turn it down. Our last guest turned it down as well. She was a channeler, so she was like, "I don't need to be touching that." But you have a story about a Ouija board. Can you elaborate? Okay, so these came out in the '70s. I think that is 1971 or something like that. These Mattel ones did. The original Ouija boards were around for long periods of time because I was trying to buy a really rare old one that they're made out of wood. This one has a 3D printed custom piece, so it's even more scarier because it's made by machine.

11:22 So, yeah, the Ouija board came out though, you're right. So I was a kid. It had just come out. My friend had one. Do you remember that game when you would look in the mirror? Yeah, it says Bloody Mary. We called it Candyman or Bloody Mary. Yeah, and you do stupid stuff like that, right? It works, by the way. I don't care what anybody says. I agree. Anyway, so we were playing that and being stupid, so she's like, "Oh, well, I just got a Ouija board. Let's use it." And we're like, "Okay." Oh my goodness. How old were you when this happened? No, I was... Okay, yes. Don't ask those questions. No, but you said you were a kid. I was a kid. Yeah, I didn't ask what year.

12:02 Well, I guess you might have told you. I'm a '70s child, oh my God, yes. You look great. I look hot. I'm not worried about... I'm not worried about... This is a hot girl weird. But I'm trying to get my mind in the space, like, you're like 13, you're 19... No, I was... I think I was nine. Nine? Wow, nine years old. Yeah. I think they have a disclaimer. Don't use a Ouija board. Yeah, but no, it's like I saw Scarface at eight, you know, so... Man, I love that. So Ouija boards are... Yeah. They're nothing, right? Man, she was railing. Wait. Bring the fucking Ouija board over here, okay? Yeah, okay. I'm gonna put some numbers on it.

12:47 We're being... Oh, we're going to get canceled every week. Yeah, so we were just... We were asking... We were like really... There were three of us, and we're all the same age. And I don't remember exactly what happened, but all of a sudden, everything got really quiet and the lights went out, and we were alone in the house. Kids were left alone at home a lot back then. Yeah. No, yeah. No. Yeah. Remember, we also were children. Children of the '80s. Yeah, and so it just got like really creepy and really scary, and the lights went out, and then it was just... And then we tried to leave, and the door went open.

13:24 And so pretty much, once we got the door open, and we ran out, and she came over to my house, and we were terrified. Yeah. We were just... I mean, just like the whole set up. So what's weird, I lost touch with those girls, and I reconnected with them. They didn't die from the Ouija board, did they? Oh, no. Okay. No, but it was just... They reconnected with the Ouija board. I lost touch, so I had a séance, and... But it was crazy. Sorry. We're not... Yeah. But when you get freaked out like that, you just kind of... I was like... Wow. Wait, so after that night, you really didn't... You guys kind of separated? Yeah. Because it was also weird?

13:58 Whoa. Yeah. And you never saw them again? Well, no. Until she had the séance. No, we never saw... Yeah, but we weren't as close as we were. Yeah. Yeah. Because it freaked you all out. Yeah. And then you were a reminder of that freaked out. Right. And when someone sees you really scared, you don't really want to... Yeah. Well, Sophia, we have a surprise for you. We have your two friends for you. You can get a car. You can get a car. But the crazy thing... Oh, so I reconnected with them a few years ago, and we became buddies and stuff. I mean, we were friends again. And one of them was really into witchcraft, really into it,

14:34 and summoning and that kind of like, "What the fuck?" And she got kind of pissed off at me for something, and I'm like, "I don't think anything of it." So that night, I woke up like two in the morning, and I found myself standing up, and this is so weird. I found my bed asleep, and all of a sudden, my legs went up, both at the same time, and I fell in love. Were you a levitating? Oh, okay. Yeah. It was like so weird. And I'm like... I was like, "Were you levitating?" You know, but it was... It's hard because I was like asleep, like aware. Yeah, you were sleepwalking. You know, but I was like standing next to my bed, and all of a sudden,

15:13 not just one, but like both... It's like a lucid dream. But was this... Both legs went up. We talked about astral projection last time, too. It wasn't that. Yeah. I mean, you were asleep standing, and then your legs came up, and you fell. Yeah. And it was weird. She had talked about being able to go places and do voodoo dolls and stuff. Oh. Anyway, so it just... I wanna make sure everybody can hear your great stories. It freaked me out. Yeah. I think she did it. Okay. I think she had something to do with it. But also, you have a great imagination. I dare. And most people... Well, this has been scientifically proven that makes a lot of sense for people who

15:52 have great imaginations, like you can create a lot of things, is that when we do dream, our imagination becomes endless. I agree. So the things we can do in our dreams, and mind you, there's like things you can read. I saw myself in a dream for the first time, and I was looking at it. I Googled it. This just happened like two weeks ago. And there was like all types of things you can read about when something like that happens. But I think that what happened was, is that your dream, you thought about this so much and how much she kind of freaked you out in the things that she said, that you made it become a reality.

16:31 I don't know, because it's weird. Okay. So when I fell on my butt, right, that woke me up. And when I woke up, it's like I saw her in front of me. Oh. You know what I mean? And I told her, get the, well, I told her leave. And then, and that was like, this was recently. This was over about almost two years ago now, and nothing's ever happened. Okay. No, but yeah. Well, cause you have powers then too, cause you were like, witch be gone? And she left. I bet she didn't say which, but she said, I said, okay, here's the follow up question. Yeah. How did she become a witch because of that night? No, she had practiced for a long time anyway.

17:17 But I mean, because of that night when you had the Ouija board night. That's what I was... You know, I think... Is that, is that what like got her mind going in that direction? Yeah, maybe. I don't know. Maybe that was like full circle closure. Maybe. Yeah. That was, but that was a really wild experience. Wow. The whole thing. What? I'm a little worried we're going to have a wild experience with the Ouija or something. I don't think, I don't think we will because it is made by Mattel. And the part is made by me. And when I talked to my 3D printer, I said, listen, buddy, I got this film in on Amazon. Like it can't be real.

17:51 But you know what I want to get into is your movie, The Wrecker, if that's okay to like... The Wrecker. Yeah. I am so impressed by this and so is Landon. And Landon has been talking to me about you to the point where I said, Landon, what are we gonna talk about her today? It's been almost three hours. We haven't said anything. I was really impressed by you and then now I know why. And I saw that your script had so many great actors and I was like, oh my god. It did. And now keep in mind, The Wrecker is not technically horror, right? Action. Action thriller. Action thriller. But that's actually... That's actually what caught my attention because I was actually invited,

18:29 we were talking about this earlier, I was actually invited to the premiere of that. And I did go show up and then I got to hang out with some of the crew or the cast afterwards. But I didn't get to meet you. I just met her on Thursday. Was that a Sherman Oaks one? No. No, this is 2025. This was last year. Oh, last year. This time last year. Before I was sober because I remember that drunk that night. Oh, by the way, Landon's sober. I know. 100 days today. 100 days sober. Woo-hoo. Yeah. 100 is hard to pass and we're really proud of Landon. Oh, thank you, buddy. I appreciate you. Yeah, hell yeah. Let's go, buddy.

19:03 Since we're on the topic of The Wrecker, Harvey Keitel, Tyrese Gibson, Mena Suvari, Danny Trejo, and Niko, what's his last name? Niko Foster. Did you have anything to say about these people being in the movie? Oh my God. Because if you do, hey, we're actors over here and we heard you have a new project going on. Okay, well, from what I understand, Niko now has something called The Final Callback. Though if you go on Instagram, he's like, he's looking for actors, so if you guys are interested... Wait, wait, hold on. I'm gonna follow. The Final Callback. The Final Callback. What is it? Oh, because I'm gonna look at it. On Instagram. Just me.

19:47 Okay, so his question was, were you part of any of the casting? You wrote the story. You wrote the story with Niko. I wrote it with him, yes. Okay. And then after that, they kind of just ran with you. They ran with it. Yeah. You talked a little bit about that, too, about how when you write it and you put all this effort and you feel like it's a really good story, and then it changes as it turns into an actual production, that's got to be a little frustrating, but we didn't. That happens all the time. It happens. I would imagine every time. All the time. Every time. I really believe that I've seen it happen and really good things come out of it.

20:25 And then I also believe that if it was me, I wouldn't give a shit if it's my first couple of projects, because you want your stuff to be out there and there's little options here. When you start off and if you get a thing like yours, you kind of let them just do what they want, unless they're like, "Oh yeah, you can have say, and this is your first project." But I believe that people should be more grateful in some senses because not everybody gets an opportunity like what you got. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's cool. And then at the same time, it's kind of whoever, what is it, the golden rule, who has a gold card makes the rules.

21:00 So whoever's paying for it ultimately, I think, has the final tall. They really don't know. Like the producers. No. It's really... I don't know. Who would be it? Who would be the producer? The money. The executive producer is the one that really has the veto power. It's like the producers are the ones that are putting into the movie, but the EP... Oh, hi, buddy. Okay. So I don't want to be an actor. I want to be a producer. Right. I love producers. Well, yeah. It is a great experience. I mean, creating a movie is such a collaborative process, you know? It's like you really need other people to really... You want a dog too? Oh, there's more. Oh. I know. They're so freaking cute.

21:36 Oh my God. And you guys look so cute holding him. Oh my God. Big guys with little dogs. No friends. That's a magazine cover right here. Eugene, you've got to go back down and you're trying to get it. He always wants to be in the show. I know. He's a little bite. Look at his little tushy. Look at him. You said that. Are you showing the camera his touch? It is. What's your question? Oh, yeah. So, let me ask you something. Growing up, obviously, you... I have one more question about The Wrecker that I like. And then we'll drop The Wrecker because it's not horror anyways. What line or scene in The Wrecker is most yours that made it to the final

22:16 production? Because I know a lot of things change, but is there like one thing that you watch when you watch the movie and obviously you know where the script started, you know what production ran with it. Is there one thing that you wrote that was your original idea and you're like, "Fuck, yeah. That's me. That's me. That's my idea." That's a really good question. There's a scene in the bathroom when they're fighting. There's a fight scene. Yeah. Who do you work for? I love that scene. Number two. That's funny. Awesome. They're breaking a new Austin Powers too, by the way. They are? Oh, dude. Who is your master?

22:58 Is that the part or is that the scene you could do? No, no. That's from Austin Powers when he's in the bathroom. He's trying to shit. That bastard. Yeah. I didn't have any corn. That's my favorite part in any movie. Literally. That's the only part I remember. So far we've talked. Is that giving the shit, who does it work for? No. What is it? The guy who can't stand being asked some questions three times is getting interrogated in the bathroom by Austin Powers, and then there's somebody in the stall next to him. If I remember right, this is where I'm gonna get a petty fact check. By the way, we have a fact check.

23:39 I go through and fact check everything, and then we have a petty fact check. So if you're kind of close but not quite there, I put up a petty fact check. It was in 1972 instead of '71, we were like, "Actually, in 1970?" I got a few wrongs. That is much too far. That is much too far. That's much too far. I got three on the last. Oh, but yeah. So he's trying to interrogate him, and his name is number two. I think it was both of those characters. Oh, I remember. And he's like, "Number two. Who do you work for?" Wasn't that Ruppler? And I think it was Tom. Ruppler. Wasn't it? Roseanne Barr's husband was the guy, and he was like,

24:16 "That's right, buddy. You tell him. You tell that shit." And he's like, "Number two, who do you work for?" We've talked about no horror. I guess we talked about that one already. We've got Austin Powers and The Wrecker. But okay. So the bathroom scene. Tell us about it. So there's this great fight scene, right? Yeah. And the guy's fighting. He's like huge. Like a huge giant. And Niko's not really. How huge? No. Like, it's because you huge. Wow. Okay. That's pretty big. Yeah. That's a big guy. And so it's a big fight. And so in order to kill him, there's water flooded because they break the sink. And then he breaks the electrical wires and the electrification.

25:01 Cool. Yeah. Hell yeah. You're being really cool. I love it. I think it's amazing. And I just want more. More. More. More. More. More. Okay. So you make movies anyway. That's in your bio. Yes. And I think nobody was going to give you permission. I think it was working with people who would rewrite my script. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Top goal. And I think that's why I do short shorts a lot. Proof of concept? Yeah. Proof of concept. Yeah. I mean, I mean, like yesterday when I shot Hush, you know, it was. And you shot, you shot a short yesterday. Yeah. You said. No. I can't believe. I guess we're just running. Yeah. And I think it's so great.

25:49 You know, get people. People want to work. Yeah. I want to work. I always say that. I always say that. Yeah. You want to be creative. And so if you're willing to put in, you know, do it for the craft, you know, and experiment and just really do stuff, you know, that you wouldn't, I mean, auditioning is hard. You know, getting something together is really hard. I mean, there's always something happening. So if you get people who want to do it, you know, you just make it happen. And we had so much fun yesterday. Really? It was so much fun. Everybody's having a. Yeah. You hire people who want to. Yes. You're trying to talk from like nine feet away.

26:23 I said you hire people that want to work. Yeah. There's a huge difference. Yeah. Like everybody gets together. You automatically know who's happy to be there. Right. You know, so. And what I like to do is I like to write for people I know, you know, so if I know you guys and I think, oh, okay, you know, he would be good in this part. You know, so and I kind of like catered the character to you. So it's more fun. You know what I mean? You know, especially when it happens really fast, you know, which I love doing yourself. So that's I enjoy doing that. So yeah, we've actually talked about this before because I mean,

26:57 this this podcast really is more about independent filmmaking. So that's it's a really good way to set it. And the way that I see it is, you know, you can either play the pick me game or you can go out and make your own damn shit. Oh, yeah. And sometimes making your own stuff is the calling card you need to get picked. Yeah. You kind of you kind of answer your first question with your own answer. So but it's taking the power into your hands. That's where you're becoming a producer rather than just an actor is really powerful. I think. Was there a budget? Was there a budget behind this? Yeah. Self finance. Self finance.

27:35 Did you? Did you shoot it? Were you behind the camera? No. I had someone behind the camera. You know, she was kind of learning, she wanted to do it too, you know, and she actually owned the camera. Oh my gosh. Yes. What camera did you shoot on? I'm learning about cameras. She had a Sony and a long list of. Oh wow. Okay. Yeah. It was like one that and it was beautiful. It was like a $5,000 camera. Yeah. And then you know what's crazy is that the cameras 5000 you're like, oh wow, that's a really great camera. And then you look at the lenses and each lens is like another 2000 or something like that. Like, oh my God.

28:10 That's a really good point. And also something that you just pointed out was you hired somebody who's not really somebody who's just starting off, right? Correct? Yeah. Who is that person? Do you mind giving her? Oh, let's give a shout out. Yeah. Yeah. And feel free, I mean, you don't have to, but feel free to shout out to anybody that you worked with on your projects or anything like that, you know. Oh, thank you. I appreciate it. Unless you don't want to release who's been working on your film this far. Well, this is, um, her name's Alison and her son was actually played my son. Oh yeah. And I got to play the evil mother.

28:45 Do you want to tell us about the, about the, uh, the, yeah, the storyline. So I had written it to be a vertical short, but what did you shoot it vertical? Well, there's some people that I know. So that's what's really crazy. I've been on sets where they use like amazing, gorgeous cameras is what you're supposed to. And then I've been on sets where they've used an iPhone and then they started doing iPhones like this. And now I've seen before where they're doing the cameras sideways to get really high quality vertical. Yeah. It's about the editing. Yeah. It's all about the editing. Yeah. It's really, it helps that.

29:23 Yeah. Um, so you wrote it to be a vertical. Right. Because we've got a lot of closeup shots, um, it's gonna be a short, which is fine. And um, I'm excited about it. The kid was, he's so talented. I mean, he's so fun. Could you work with these people again? Obviously. Yeah. I'd like to work with the same people over and over again. Do you ever get to know? How many days did it take to shoot the film? Oh, it was one day. One day and what about 15 minutes? Yeah. Five minutes. Yeah. It's, it's, um, it was 10 pages. Well, it was 11 by cut one page out, um, because that was gonna be too complicated. And, you know,

29:58 it's when people are kind of like giving up their time to be there. I just really wanna be as efficient as possible and know I feed them and you know, um, it's great because they want to do it and they know my plans. They trust me. You know, it's like, I always do the festival circuit. I always like try to get, you know, when I've worked with them before, you know, get people going to the red carpet, you know, just making deck networking. Um, and then, you know, working on Much Too Vulgar, like I said, one of my plans is to really have my own studio, you know, and, um, you know, what your studio name would be?

30:31 Yeah. Do you want to share it or you're scaring someone who'll take you? So I mentioned Vicki knows she's a really, um, go get her. Her, her part is horror, hunger, humor. I saw that. Yeah. I saw that when I looked up, uh, Much Too Vulgar, uh, doing my research before. Thank you. And so mine is Dessa blue. So if we do our studio together, which we're talking about because she loves horror, it would be DB H three. That's a blue horror. Humor hunger. So DB H three. Let's put that in the air. Yeah. DBH three. No. So everybody needs it. And you could, you could even like spell it like, uh, like, uh, like a sigil.

31:12 But I was thinking like, uh, like a chemistry equation, you know, you probably have great conversations with her cause she's the touch. She's all into science. Yeah. I mean, it goes way over my head. I'm, I'm the creative, you know, so you'd have fun talking to her. Yeah. He's, uh, I'm all about the practical magic and very cool. There's a lot of magic in science. Yeah. It's just so crazy. So you were talking about the festival circuits. Um, obviously you have what night, uh, not obviously, but you have like 90 something credits on IMDb, um, and what, what is that? Like it, like I looked him up, but it's, you know, it takes a while to,

31:51 to suss through and figure out which ones are shorts. Which ones are features, which one you've written on. You've done so many different things about what percentage are those broken down into writing, acting, producing. Well, I started off as an actor in 2012. Before that I was in the art world, so I was a painter and I had an art gallery. So I love all your art. Yeah. You did actually point out my, my art. I was actually, um, a featured collector in, I want to say the 2023 or 2024 LA art show. Awesome. Yeah. For Remo Camerota, those over there. Oh, Mickey skulls. Yeah. Yeah. They look, you have great art.

32:27 Thank you. Thank you. I didn't design the house. That was actually my friend, uh, Kaya, who, uh, was the artistic director or something like that for Petit Ermitage. Are you familiar with Petit? That's so awesome. Do you know Petit? And I don't know him personally. Oh no. Petit Ermitage is a really cool, like kind of, like I think of it as like kind of a celebrity hotel in West Hollywood, but it's a members only hotel. No, I have not been there. Well, maybe I'll take you there. But it's super cool. Anybody who doesn't know about Petit, you should go check it out. You can, you can go there as long as you, uh, rent a room, like you,

33:05 what kind of room? They have really cool rooms, but there, there's events all the time there. So people go there, but you can't just go there unless you've rented a room or you're a member. Okay. This is a really cool rooftop pool and all that stuff. Very cool. Okay. So what I was going to say is you've got all these different, um, credits on IMDb here. You said you started out as an actor. Right. So probably what, about half are acting? Um, probably. Yeah, about half are acting. And then I became a member of a theater group and I started writing a lot of comedy. Okay. And, um, and then I remember. As we see, we've got our, as a, I don't know if you can see back there,

33:46 but we've got it as a writer in our animation back there because I know we're, as the writer of The Wrecker. Um, and, uh, so maybe a quarter are writing. Probably getting closer to half now. Oh, half. Yeah. Okay. So half acting, half writing. Yeah. And then a little bit of producers. I'm trying to do a lot more producing. Yeah. Same. A lot more. Yeah. It's, it's a lot of work. The money is in production. Like acting is my passion, but if you want to get paid productions, where do you want to be? I want to be in production. Then just money is negotiating and you know, convincing people. This is going to be huge.

34:24 It's going to be huge. So Ed, Ed was my favorite person to bring it. Do you know who Ed Wood was? Yes. That was a fun movie too. So I, I loved how he would just figure out, you'll, I got to recommend him to watch Ed Wood. You were talking about, you're talking about him yesterday while we were getting the shirts. Yeah. So pretty much one of my favorite things ever is his landlords about to kick him out. This is a true story. His landlord goes to kick him out of his house and he's like, wait, looks around and he's like, do you make films? And he's like, yeah, he's like, I make films. And now he realizes like, wait, maybe my landlord wants to make a movie.

35:00 So his landlord actually is part of these churches and this is a real story and they want to make the great apostles or what is it called? The apostles. There's, I'm not in that, I'm Jewish. I don't know, but he wants to make the apostles movies and Ed Wood talks him into making a horror movie that's gonna make so much money because it's got the last footage of Bela Lugosi because he, he went to Bela Lugosi's house and filmed him picking flowers. So he told him, he's like, listen, I got the last roll of film of Bela Lugosi. We're gonna put him in the movie. And so he'd sold them on that and they made this movie,

35:41 I think it was Plan 9 from Outer Space or yeah, that is the one. Yeah. So he, they made that movie and go see the one on my shirt that I bought. Did you buy a Dracula shirt? No, you brought a mummy shirt. No, that's Boris Karloff. No, no, no, no, no, you're talking about who did you buy? You know what? Did you buy a Dracula or something? No, no. Vampira. Vampira. Vampira. Vampira. Oh, you bought the vampire shirt. So yeah, she's in that movie. She, she is a great story about her being in that movie. She took the money. She took the money for the movie, but didn't wanna say anything because she didn't want any lines.

36:25 So when they got in there, she just walked like around and they're like, what are you doing? And he's like, oh, it's, it's amazing. Everything he shot. So he made, he was the worst horror. He made the worst movies of all time because he never cared about the quality. Like in Freddy's stops, you would see in his movies, like a grave tip over or like somebody walking by down the street. He wouldn't edit. Like, yeah, he was just through the roof anyway. So the reason why I brought that up was as far as producing and coming up with money, he was such a good salesman to get people like he even got some guy who cut meat,

37:01 like own the biggest cow category. And he got them to invest because he told him he's going to put his son in it and his son was in it. And he's like actually decent actor, which I thought was funny. But yeah, that's, that happens a lot, a lot of people, a lot of people pay to get their kids. Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. Like that guy who just fought. And I mean, I think it's a great thing. Like if you've got a kid that wants to be an actor and you've got the disposable income to do it, hey, that is like the coolest dad move ever to be like, uh, okay, my son wants to be in movies. I've seen that go really wrong.

37:42 We're like, you see it. Yeah. Well, no, you've seen the movies when like, it's clearly like a nepo baby or somebody who paid their way in and the kid can't act and you're like, Oh God, that happens all the time. Yeah. All the time. Or the wife. Yeah. I keep trying to get back to this because you mentioned, uh, or the, or the, I just heard that that's a little insight joke between, between Sophia and I, um, I'm leaving that one on you. That's your story. Um, you were talking about being able to be knowledgeable about the film festivals. So typically at least in one part of each Séance, I try to come up with a flagrant way for me to take a break and then show a little,

38:32 uh, rundown of the website. And in, in the horrormeet.com, our website, this spawned all this stuff. We actually have, um, what's called the circuit and the circuit is, um, I, I did research on the top five, the top five horror film festivals in the world and then the top 25, uh, horror film festivals in America and then had them run down in order of significance and then explained why each one is important and all that stuff. Um, so you can actually access, um, some of the best film horror film festivals from horrormeet.com. And you can actually click on it. It'll take you directly to the film festival.

39:13 You can apply through there or whatever. Um, but what, what's your experience with it with specifically horror film festivals? Have you been, what's the best one you've been to? Have you been to any horror film festivals? When I was in Cannes a couple of years ago, I always saw a story about you and Yes She Cannes or something like that. Yes She Cannes. What was that? What was that? So Yes She Cannes was founded by a woman filmmaker who would go to the Cannes Film Festival time and she was supposed to go last year, but I was filming, which is next year. There's a good reason to not make it to the film festival to actually be making

39:49 film. But you know, um, so anyway, she put together just like this organization for women filmmakers to support each other because, you know, it's cool and you were a part of that. Yeah. I'm about, okay. And what does that mean? Again, this is also where we'll put up the little, Yes She Cannes. Yes She Cannes. Um, and who was, do you know the organizer? If not, I'll, I'll research it and I'll figure it out. Faith Elizabeth. Yeah. Faith, we love you. Yes. Keep up the hard work. She's amazing. Girl power. Yes. She's in London. And so it's kind of hard because a lot of the members are in Europe, which right now is falling apart.

40:24 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a horror movie. That's a, that's a horror. Yeah. It's a horror movie. It's worse than any horror movie. Oh my God. We wish you the best. Yeah. You're up. You're up. Except for Poland. Poland's fucking crushing it. Oh, no Polish action. Are you Polish? No. Oh, what's your, what's your microphone? What's your ethnicity? Uh, I'm a mutt man. I'd say what am I, um, my mother's, well, my mother's next or was Mexican French and my father was like German Irish and I think there's like some native Indian in there. Yeah. Yeah. So it's all kinds of stuff. So anyway, speaking of films, I always like to know you didn't start off with horror writing.

41:08 Was that what you started off with or no? Um, no, my, the very first script I wrote was a comedy, a comedy, romantic comedy. Yeah. Then you have the, the biggest script that, that sold was the right now is the, The Wrecker or two. Okay. And so that's a thriller and now you want to start getting action thriller. Well, then, well, I also wrote paralysis with Niko and that got, and that's currently on Apple TV and also got produced as well. Okay. Yeah. So it's a feature. It's a feature. And then, so what, okay. So we all love certain movies, certain genres and it doesn't have horror. It doesn't have to always be the main topic,

41:49 but what horror film were the, the only film that ever scared you, would you say? The Exorcist? The Exorcist. I've tried to watch that film like three different times and I can't get past it. You can't because it's, it's terrible. The Exorcist keeps on popping up to, um, I was on a call today and they were talking about Ellen Dietz completely separate because we, we, we wrote a horror script called The Other Tenant. And one of my friends that we were meeting with around the time that I was writing, um, she was like, oh, I think I can probably get you Ellen Dietz. If you, you know, maybe if you write a good enough script and you guys make it, um,

42:25 there's a shot. We could get her involved. And I looked her up. She, she played the, the, the demon in, in, she was the demon that you see that she sees in the makeup. So, yeah, um, but you know, she's, she's, so I actually wrote a character into our movie, specifically thinking about Ellen Dietz, the Exorcist. And then they, you know, it just, I don't know, the Exorcist keep on popping up around us lately. Well, it's, it's Alan Wheaton. I know. I know, but specifically, I didn't know who Ellen, I, I, not Ellen, I'm sorry, Eileen. I'm gonna get petty fact checked. Eileen Dietz. Um, she's a wonderful, uh, horror genre actress and among other things,

43:04 but, um, we would love to have you on the podcast, Eileen and, uh, God willing, we'd love to have you on The Other Tenant. We wrote you a part. So. There you go. Got to put it up there. Call me, call me. Call him. Call me. That works. I think we got it. Yeah. Okay. Wait, it's one more question. Um, so the Exorcist, it scared you. Yes. Okay. And that was the only movie. Would you say that scared you? They have a new Exorcist. Yes. And they have a new, uh, show that we were looking at was, um, Crystal Lake. Three over from the top. I heard that's really good. You heard it's good. I haven't seen it. So you know what I just did today to watch it?

43:45 What? So I hooked up my computer to my old vintage TV through HD, my RCA so I can watch it on an older TV. Awesome. I know it's pretty nerdy. Great. I had to do it. Right? That's so cool. What do you got? What do you got? Ask your question. Uh, okay. So let's make a movie. Okay. Yeah. No, I'm, we would love your input into The Other Tenant. Um, we're actually looking at shooting a short version of it just so we can kind of create the space. We're gonna be shooting with a VCR camcorder that it came from, um, oh, VHS, VHS camcorder. Um, and, uh, we're going to be shooting in this house. And I, I, we wrote it specifically to use exactly what's in this house because I'm

44:27 like, if you've got a freaking cool house in Laurel Canyon Hills, first of all, it's too damn expensive just to live in. You've got to do something in it. You know, um, we would love to pay who buy it from the money with the movie. We would love for horrormeet.com to blow up and then have our fans help us out with shooting the movie. But I think we're going to make it well before we have enough fan fan people to do that. Um, we're planning on maybe shooting. I don't think we're going to shoot it before I leave for Vegas, but I think after I get back from it and this, you want to try shooting it the next as long as it's in the winter.

45:00 I'm down because I think those are the most beautiful times. So we have a, we have a big time slot to film it. Um, and then also we can take our time because you don't have anything to do, which I think wouldn't be really good idea to start with, you know, because you're making a movie. You wanna have some time. And I don't think we would be able to do it as quick as you, because you said a day and it had me thinking since you said a day, I was like, wow, that's interesting. So when I see your movie, I'll get kind of an idea of what you can do in a day. Just plan. You have to plan. Yeah. Don't just go off the fly.

45:31 You have to really plan your scenes and do your little storyboard and everybody pretty much worked for food. I was lucky. Yeah. So I will work for food and I will work for no food because I wanna work and I love this industry. So if you're watching this and you need an actor stunt, man, hit me up. Do we really have pizza in there? Really? Yeah. I eat, I eat everything but two slices. I can't. He's a big Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle fan. He can't keep himself away from pizza and Cowabunga dude. Okay. So on your horror films, The Devil's Heist, witchcraft, the lantern of light, a soldier's descent. You keep coming back to horror.

46:11 What pulls you back? What makes you love, and of those films you were acting in them or you wrote them or both? So The Devil's Heist was the first feature I co-wrote and co-produced. And that was that with Niko as well? No, this was with Brian Saffire. Mike Ferguson? Yeah. We talked about Mike. Yeah. I actually, I didn't tell you all of the story because Mike Ferguson is another kind of heavy player. Big guy. Yeah, big guy. Well, we call him Heavies. I don't want to make it sound like he's obese, but we're called Heavies and we're big guys. But I actually got my first ever opportunity to be a lead and it was a

46:59 short film. It was a student film, actually. It was in like 2022 during COVID. Nobody was making anything. And somebody hit me up like two days before they're shooting and they're like, hey, do you want to play this role? It's called The Pink Elephant is the movie. It's a really cool role. I play Vinny. He's like a kind of a gang leader. He's like a boss. He's a boss. And this kid does something bad to a girl. He wants the boss to go silencer instead of silencing her. Like he's a bad guy, but he doesn't, he's not going to go after the girl knowing that he already did something bad to her. So instead he kidnaps the kid and beats the shit out of him.

47:41 So yeah. So I'm like, I love when, when bad guys have conscience. I don't know something about that like drew me to the role, but I found out about it two days before. And then I later found out that Mike Ferguson was supposed to play the role and then didn't do it for whatever reason. He probably double booked or maybe you get a bigger role or something, something paid. But that was my first ever opportunity to be a lead. So it's Mike. Thank you for passing on that one, buddy. And now I think one thing as creatives, especially in the independent realm, you kind of have to do it all until you hit it big.

48:18 Unless you're really happy just pounding the pavement constantly auditioning and people do that. You can, but if you want to make your own stuff. That's why I've got this big sheet set up here. When we're not doing the podcasts, we're looking that way for me to audition. And what's so great is with the internet, you can create your own content. Yeah. So do it. I mean, you have social media and just do it. Make your own films. Yeah. I'm excited for us to shoot the short. Maybe we can get you involved in helping us out with the short. Very cool. I would love, I mean, oh shit, you're a writer. I'm a writer. I'm an actor. I would love for you to review the script.

48:54 I know. I can't imagine that people are like, oh yeah, let me read your 104 page script or whatever. But you know, I already had one other writer read it and she gave great notes and so we've already updated it. It's already being read by a couple of financial groups that are considering working on it. But I would love to have another writers because this is the first one that I've ever written. We've ever written that is like being looked at, you know, that's awesome. Yeah. Well, I've learned the one thing as a writer, never get too attached to your work. Let everybody play with you. It's hard. It's really hard.

49:33 Because especially when you don't like someone who wants to rip it apart, you're like, or when you deal with people with huge egos who feel like no matter what you write, they're gonna be right anyway. As long as they buy it. Give me money. I have a rule, like if 10 people are calling you an asshole, you're an asshole. You know what I mean? Like if 10 people tell me that this sounds good and like this is the way it should be, I believe that that's the way it should be. But he was so crazy, even if you have like the best script, then you get the editor or director and they have a completely different vision.

50:10 Yeah. But you also have things in scripts that can't be done. So you write all this shit and you're like, first of all, you can't do this. And then you have to rewrite scenes to make them actually work. Which a lot of people don't realize, here's how I found that out, I worked for a guy named Jim Vickers. He brought me into the stunt world. That's your stunt dad, right? Yeah, yeah. He's stunt daddy. Thank you, Jim. Jim, Jim's probably got like a million IMDB credits. He's Academy Award, yeah, Academy Award. All that stuff. Oscar, Oscar? Is it an Oscar? I don't know what it was, but it was in the house and I looked at it and I was like, wow, this guy's awesome.

50:49 So I remember that they would get the TV show scripts and stuff like that and they would have these crazy ideas for stunts and crazy, because remember, you're talking horror. The most expensive parts are going to be stunts, right? And it's not actually up to you, the writer, this person, it's how safe it is. And believe it or not, the stunt coordinator will say, hey, we can't shoot this. You guys are out of your mind. And sometimes they go, oh, we want to shoot it and that's how people get hurt if they're not hiring the best people. Or if you don't have to... It doesn't fit in a budget. Well, they don't care sometimes.

51:26 Like they'll go, oh, OK, like what fits in a budget for stunts is nuts. Like when we did, I remember we blew up a building once and they said every time, by the way, guys, if we get this done right the first time, everybody's getting like a big bump because we're not going to spend another million dollars because every time we blow up this building, it's a million dollars. Wow. So they're like, we'd rather just give it to you guys so get it right the fucking first time. That will make everyone... 100%. So when you're doing this type of stuff, the stunt coordinators really have like a huge say in what goes on and

52:01 what can be paid for it. And that's when you have... good stunt coordinators will probably walk off the set and go, look, my name's not going on. This guy jumping off of a building, it explodes, and then a state goes through his heart while he falls down on the ground. No, we all get sued and the movie never gets made because it doesn't have any... 100%. And here's something that people don't know what hurts the production the most. And this is why you have stunt guys and you have doubles is because if you're a lead actor, somebody gets hurt because most of these actors, I don't know what's wrong with them, but they all want to do their own stunts.

52:34 Even if it's falling on the ground, it is a stunt. I don't really want to. Yeah. I mean, you could just fall on your knee and that's it. 300 pounds. When I hit the ground, it hurts. That's what I'm saying. So that stops a production and that costs so much money and time and yes, so 100%. So you're talking about this, what do you guys think of AI because this is the big controversy. Using AI, you save a ton of money. So this is actually one of the things we wanted to talk with you about because we were... I think you cover AI on Sofi Stories. Oh, yeah. All my Sofi Stories. And then you were just talking to me about a project with a shark and you made an AI

53:14 trailer for it. You'd be perfect if you didn't do that. I'm gonna beat up a shark. I'm bettered. He's good too. He's very good. You can be my stunt double. Thanks. You know, where I stand on AI, I actually was asked to do... this week, I was cast in an all AI movie and I'm not gonna mention any names, but eventually I turned it down for my agent's request. And I mean, I'm open to AI, but I'm more of the side that, OK, AI is coming. I've seen a couple of AI movies and they're getting better. They're not as good as I am as an actor, as far as catching the nuances of the way that the human actually reacts, the way it has internal thought, all these things.

54:03 I don't think there's anywhere close to getting ready to replace an actor. Where I think it's really helpful is in landscapes and in set design, because you can do... we could use that backdrop there and... Blow something up. film something. And then I saw something that my good friend Lexi Collins... she's a wonderful actress. She was just in Demonetize. I just watched the premiere the other day. It was a very good film. Very funny horror movie. Love you Lexi. I just saw her last night, I think. Yeah. We were at a party together. We were talking and she... I saw something on her Instagram where she was on the side of a road.

54:49 Luckily, she was kind of a hitchhiker or something like that. And I was like, oh, well, you know, I was like, where'd they shoot that? And then they showed the behind the scenes and she was actually on a set. And it just was... they just added in the whole road and the whole middle of the desert with just AI. It's like green screen. Yeah. It's the green screen. Yeah, I mean, it's green screen, but you don't have to do that anymore. You can pull out just the person and then change all the stuff around it. The hybrid. Yeah. I think that's where AI is really gonna help. And by that, I don't mean help do things that they couldn't do.

55:26 Help do things within a budget because you don't have to move the entire production team out to the... I've shot in the middle of the desert. And we had to cut our shoot short because it took three hours to get into the desert and it still takes three hours to get back. And if you're working on SAG timelines or anything like that, you only get a little bit of time of shooting until you got to turn around and come back. So I mean, to be able to do that on a set somewhere would be really nice and it'd actually save a lot of money, save a lot... it's a little safer, stuff like that. Well, it'd be great for actors to really be able to act.

56:01 It's a safe environment and a great... you know, Soundstage like Angel Studios has a studio in Manhattan Beach where it's like a big warehouse. I was just there. I didn't even know what Manhattan Beach Studios was, but I got invited to a gifting suite for the Emmys. Oh, how cool. Yeah. So but, you know, it's really amazing what they can do and just keeps getting better and better. And I totally agree about, you know, not using actors, you know, really keep the integrity of it. Yeah, that's one thing when I'm working with Viggy on our project. Much Too Vulgar is really keeping the integrity. You know, she's anti...

56:37 it's funny, a lot of the younger people, they are so anti-AI. Yeah. You know, it's like... they're like... I thought it was the older people. No, it's so weird. Probably both into the spectrum. We've got the older people, they're like, "Ah, that's not how we do it," and the young people are like, "No, let's fight the good fight." And then people in the middle was like, "I fought the good fight. It's tough. Let's use a little bit of AI." Just keep the data centers away from me. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I just think that people are going to start... OK, so this is my take on it, right? I think the points you guys brought up were stuff that...

57:08 honestly, I didn't really think we're so awesome until you said it, and I was like, "Wow, it's amazing. Somebody can't get hurt," because they're not in the middle of a road. You're not in the middle of the desert sweating your ass off. You can control the environment, which sounds great, guys, so I'm not against that at all. But one thing that I do feel is very genuine is... I mentioned this before on the podcast. I'll be watching a Netflix show, and I'm like 20 minutes into it, and I just go, "Boom, turn it off." Somebody will be like, "Why'd you just turn that off?" And I go, "Because I just realized,

57:41 they're lip-syncing English. I can't take it seriously, and it's gonna be the same thing with AI." There's a few supposedly rap artists and other things that are AI that people listen to, but eventually it's gonna be corny, and it's gonna be something that's gonna be frowned upon, and not in the sense of how we make our movies. I'm talking full-blown AI movies. All right, okay, so XPRIZE, it just came out last September, Moonshot, it's where they had this contest for AI movies. It's in Higgsfield, right? What's that? Was that Higgsfield? No. They're doing their own contest, but XPRIZE, they reached out to everyone to say, "Hey, if you wanna put together an AI movie,

58:24 you can win a ton of money." The movies that won were freaking phenomenal. Oh my God. You saw these movies? I saw a couple of clips, but they're really good. I tried to do the Higgsfield short, because I've got a really great, it's like a physics-based short film, where it's like, I'm not going to get into it, because it's going to bend everyone's mind, but it's something that I could probably shoot in reality, but it would take a lot. I was like, "Oh, they have this big thing." It was like one month long, it ended the end of September, something like that. It was like all the month of August, and the winner got some million dollars or something like that.

59:11 I was like, "You know what, whether my film wins or not, it'll be a good experience playing with the AI." I could not do it for shit. It takes practice, yeah. Also that might just be my script, because my script, I could go out and there's one particular shot where you have a wall, and then there's kind of a mural that's been made, but the way it's made is so particular, because it has to obey this physics analogy that I'm doing, and I couldn't get AI to make the physics analogy. It knew what I was saying to it, and it seemed like it wanted to do it. It just couldn't make it, because it needed to be something where humans were actually making it,

59:53 something that looked like humans could have just randomly accidentally made, but then it had to have an interference pattern. Yeah, that sounds cool. That sounds beautiful. I didn't make it very far, yeah. Now you just shoot that one real much, though. Yeah, now I'm going to have to go out and shoot that thing. Okay, so talking about AI, there was a scene I wrote for Paralysis that got cut, so there's this gang that's really bad, and they're causing all kinds of havoc, so the guy has a baseball bat hanging out the window, there's a guy on the motorcycle, and he whacks the guy, and the guy goes falling off, and when I wrote it out, I'm like, "Oh my God,

1:00:29 this sounds like really exciting, like really wrong, right?" And they're like, "No, this is going to cost like way too much money," but can you imagine doing that in AI? You could just like see the guy wiped out, the motorcycle getting thrashed, and the excitement of it, like, "Oh, that sounds so cool." So we actually shot that in reality on one of my films called The Asset. I don't know. It's going through the festival circuits right now. Do you shot that? How did you shoot that? So my great friend, Tony Serfman, he's a fantastic second unit director. I think he's gonna be a great director in the future, but he, you know,

1:01:06 when we got to that portion, basically my two Cybertrucks came in and cornered this guy on a motorcycle in a corner, and he kind of peels out, and then he tries to shoot down the middle of the two because there's guys on the outside, and my character is the one that does it. He comes around the corner and just backhands him off the bike, and he goes flipping and flying, and the bike goes taking off. We had to, and I wish I could tell you guys where to go see it, but I don't think it's on up anywhere yet because it's still in the festivals, but we had to shoot it from like 16 different angles or something like that

1:01:42 because there had to be one where the bike is coming through with him on it, and then we had to shoot one where the stunt rider on the bike was like hanging off the side of the bike, so it looked like there was nobody on it. So after they hit it and cut back, you can see the bike careening away, and then we had to shoot it with Tony riding, I think it might have been the stunt rider, riding the bike and me like swinging but not connecting, and then we had to do one without the bike where he's like running in, and then I get close to him, but I don't hit him because we've got to get the close-up shot, and then you've got to get one where I actually hit him and the guy goes

1:02:25 flipping, and then there had to be one with no helmet on where the guy could actually do the full-on flip, land on the pad, and then we had to do one where they do a full-on flip and land on the ground because you've got to show him hitting the ground, so there's always all these cuts and stuff like that, but it was really, it came out so cool and I looked like such a bad-ass, but I backhand Tony off the motorcycle, but it was a pain in the butt. We shot it really quick for what it was, but it still took a good bit of time, but it's a great stop, but we actually pulled it out, I'll show you, I think I have the file on my computer,

1:03:00 but it's not out there anywhere right now for everybody to see, but it will be out soon, so yeah, that's that. So very cool. But yeah, so, but that's a thing, like with AI, I don't know, I don't know how I feel about the reality of a guy getting hit off a bike and falling and whether it's gonna look real, because I mean, everything we did was real, like the guy, even the guy doing the flip with nobody onto a pad, he was moving through the air and we were getting on a camera, so it's like, part of me, it's like anything that a human does, for the most part, especially when it's really dynamic or really emotional,

1:03:40 I don't know that the AI is close to making it as real as it could be, you know, but you might be able to get to 90 or 95%, if you're okay with that and save a bunch of money. It all depends, I mean, look at the Matrix, you know, when he's, you know, bending a note down and all those loads are flying, he's jumping through the air and stuff. Well, look at Matrix 1, it looked really real, but what was it, Matrix, where they replaced him with CGI completely, it looked like trash, like, right? It looked like a video game, where it was like a fake Keanu Reeves moving, but the first one, it was a real Keanu Reeves, right?

1:04:14 Yeah, I don't know, that's a Danny Trivia kind of question. He's right. Hey, I'm right. Double check that. Double fact check that. It's true though, like, we're going back, so the funny thing is, I think we went backwards with CGI. That we really did. Yeah, like, the Transformer movies? The first ones. So Transformers don't, they were incredible, yeah, yeah, they just got a little serious. Like, shit. Well, yeah, I mean, here's the thing though, is like, we only needed CGI to film things just like, AI, CGI, AI. That remember, like, things that's, I believe that, yeah, it wasn't a toy story in all those movies, those were like, full CGI,

1:05:03 right? So, and we loved those movies. Yeah, but those are supposed to, yeah. But what I'm saying was, is that you watch it and you can accept it in that type of thing, right? Then when you mix it and you go a little too hard and you get a little lazy and you make these films like he was saying where you can notice it so much and it's like, if you go back and watch Ghostbusters or you go back and watch E.T., right? Or any of these movies or like, Rick Baker, shout out Rick Baker, I'd love to get him on the podcast. Rick Baker. Rick Baker. Yeah, man. He's a legend, but if you watch his stuff, like, I follow him on Instagram and I love his transitions from human to

1:05:47 werewolf. And one day he gave away that. That's a tough transition. Well, he gave it away how he did it. It was like the most honestly cool thing I've ever seen, but there is money to do that. And like, for example, the Ninja Turtles, when I was a kid, a huge fan of Ninja Turtles, I grew up in Florida and I catch turtles. And some pizza. And I wanted to be a ninja, so I was like blown away when all of a sudden this cartoon came out. But the craziest thing was my mom lost me once when we were in the mall and I was just standing in front of the new Ninja Turtles poster and I was looking at it and my mom's like, I wanna kill you.

1:06:19 Where were you? Baba. She's like, what are you looking at? And I was like, mom, look, it's the Ninja Turtles. And she's like, those are your Ninja Turtles. And I was like, but why are they real? Because I went from a cartoon to them being real and she's like, she's like, I don't know the future. You know, but at the same time, I don't wanna sound like she was mean or anything. But at that time, she was a little confused, I believe herself. And so we had Jim Henson was our CGI. Jim Henson was our way to see these type of things. And also we have what's his name who did Stan Winston. These are all people that that did some of the most amazing stuff for us to believe

1:06:58 these things. And so we do have this technology, but we're getting cheaper by the day. We're getting you make them. I don't want to see a billion dollar movie about superheroes anymore. Put a billion dollars into making stuff look real again. Do you know what I mean? I still like superheroes. That's OK, though. There's people that love it, but they're becoming corny. They're becoming so corny. There's nothing to see there. And so I'm not hating these, but first of all, I'll go see every one of them. I think that's because Disney's involved now. Yeah, there you go. I agree with you on that. No, no, no, no. Disney, come on.

1:07:36 Disney, we can get canceled. No, no, no. We can get canceled. First of all, Disney, you ruined Disney, but I think you know that and you're stepping your steps back a little bit, which is great because we don't still love Disney. Don't get it twisted. Like there's movies in Disney that were just amazing. You have like... They ruined Marvel. Well, you have... Yes, Daredevil. They screwed that up. That's a good thing. I would say, I don't wanna tell which movies I've walked out of a few of them, but one of the things that I... This is to anybody who's listening. If you're making a billion dollar movie, please go watch it before you let us watch it.

1:08:12 Don't make a movie and pay a billion dollars and make me pay $20 to watch a piece of shit. That's gonna be a sellout. Do you know what I mean? Like, I don't want... Have you seen this movie yet? You paid a billion dollars for... I feel like you just got ripped off or like, when I see a movie of something remade like The Ninja Turtles or this or that, it's like, dude, you got fans out there that can make a better movie. And there's people that take this into consideration and you piss people off. You really piss people off and you make shitty fucking movies. Yeah, you do. Because we go and pay for these things.

1:08:44 And then... And not only that, we anticipate them. We really care about... We were like, "Oh, we're so excited to go see this." And then we go see it in this piece of trash, which, I mean, art is art and if you don't like it, that's... No, no. That's not the way it works. We have screen... First of all, when you see, first of all, good TV, good movies, they all have pre-screenings and people give their opinions on what they see. I've seen movies to where I'm like, "What the fuck? What the fuck did you just make me watch?" And then, for example, Ghostbusters, when they did it with the chicks, I was so excited, right?

1:09:19 And I hate when I tell people I hated that movie, "Ooh, because it's girls." It was bad. I was like, "No, it has nothing to do with it being women, first of all. I love that movie." We also love women. Yeah, 150,000%. And what was that movie where they all played baseball? A League of Their Own. Come on, guys. A League of Their Own was awesome. Okay? I love women movies. All right? Much Too Vulgar. Madonna. Exactly. So what I was getting at in the general sense was... There's no guy in baseball. You made a movie, and then when they gave me Afterlife, I watched Afterlife nine million tons. I think Afterlife is, to me, in my opinion,

1:09:58 one of the greater Ghostbusters movie that they redid. And I'm not going to... Because Landon didn't see it, Landon, you got to see one, two. And then this... No. It's the second... It's the first new one. It was good. Yeah, that was good. You have Afterlife, which is Frozen Empire. Frozen Empire was not a great movie, but thank you for making it. I didn't think that you lost too much money, but yeah. The first... You should stop with Afterlife, because that wasn't perfect. Well, fact checked. Let's let him know. Awesome. But in a general sense is, I told Landon this when he wanted to make the movie. I said, "You know how we're gonna make a great movie?" And he goes,

1:10:34 "How?" I go, "We're gonna watch it. And if it fucking sucks, we're gonna redo shit. We're not gonna just show people something that sucks." I want people to tell me if it sucks, because then you just help me out, because that's what people do. It's the same idea that we're using with the script. That's why I want you to look at it. So it doesn't suck. So it doesn't suck. We'll have somebody who's more capable than me at writing scripts to actually look at us. Write a script, and look at it, and see what we've done wrong, and put a little more experience eyes on it. How often do you get asked to review people's scripts?

1:11:08 Well, I think we get to know a lot of different screenwriters. You read each other's work a lot. Do you all read each other's work for a bit? I did that for a long time, then I kind of stopped. It's really time consuming. Yes. Yeah. And the worse it is, the more time it takes, because then you're going to put all these notes. I mean, honestly. The worse it is, you just turn that shit off. Well, no. Well, God, Jennifer Snow, right, that was the girl's name? Right. So I met this wonderful lady, Jennifer Snow. She's written like 40 novels, like, I don't know, 20 scripts, fact check me on that. 21 scripts. 21, that's a petty fact check.

1:11:54 But I had her read it, and I mean, she printed the whole thing out, and they were just reading all over it. I was like, bring it, I was like, I appreciate you putting that much time and effort into something that I've created to make it better, and it like really meant a lot to me. Oh, good. Oh, we love you. That's so awesome. Yeah. I mean, look, if you're gonna read it, tell us something about it. But I want to go back into something real quick, because I realized that Landon. So I said Stan Winston, and I said Rick Baker, and Jim Henson, right? So these people were responsible for a lot of our childhood.

1:12:30 And I can tell you Stan Winston had a lot to do with your childhood, because he did, he was the one who made our dinosaurs look real. He's Stan Winston, sorry. So Stan Winston also did, I believe he did Terminator. No, no, that was, that was, yeah, no, he might have done. No, no, no, no, no, no, damn, I can't think right now. But you know what he did do was his passion project was, you know, his passion project was? No, no, no, no, no, no, do you remember, it's not, I think it's Toy Soldiers, that movie with the actual action figures, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was the G.A. Joe, Toy Soldiers, I think. Toy Soldiers. I think so.

1:13:17 What is it? Remember it had the guy, like the flat top guy was like the general, and there was like the green army man. Hold on, I feel like I'm wrong. Or the, I don't know. Small Soldiers. Small Soldiers, that's it. Anyways, I know, we're talking a lot about not horror today. Yeah, I saw Street Fighter. Did you? I think that was amazing. My daughter would agree with you. Really? It was really, I thought was very much like The Wrecker. Oh really? You know, it was like an action, it seemed kind of cheesy, very cliche, a lot of cliches. It's so funny that I love Jason Momoa, and I love Blanka. I love the character he played,

1:13:58 that was my favorite character when I was maybe, Jason Momoa played Blanka, I was just watching a reel today, he got like five million dollars on it or something like that. And he barely talks. He was like, right? Yeah, I know. I've got it done. And it was mostly, it was all CGI anyways. Like he wasn't, he wasn't like, they just had his likeness as a face and he was like, oops. And bust a hole. I know he probably bought a lot of motorcycles because that's what he was also a producer. He was also a producer on the phone. Interesting. What did 50 do? Uh, 50 was a producer and he played Balrog. He was the, he also, he got paid like three or 4 million, I think.

1:14:40 Yeah. Shout out Jason got paid more than. I know. Well, Jason was a huge star, uh, 50 cents too, but I mean not so much for movies, music. Well, they're making a sequel. What's funny. They're making a, yeah, they have to, the way I did, there has to be a sequel. Well, and I heard it actually was really good. Like I heard a lot of people who walked away from the theater, like, Dan, that was good. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Did you see the, did you see the billboard where they had the, they have two billboards on each side of the street. I think it was on sunset and on one side, I saw the side on the right first and it's just a billboard with like a little like

1:15:19 weird graphic going through it. What the fuck is it? And then you look at the other side and it's, it is Ryu like shooting a Hadouken or whatever. And it goes across the street into the other. Does it move? No, no, but it's just, it's like, it's cool. Cause I've never seen it. Two, uh, two billboards that have that they're interconnected kind of, you know, that's horror and Street Fighter. Raúl Juliá. Do you remember that guy? He was, he was the dad in Addams Family. Yeah. He passed away when we were kids. Like he, he didn't live very long. This guy right here. I really loved him. I always wondered like, cause he was such a good Gomez.

1:15:58 I was like, wow, this is, but what does that have to do with Street Fighter? Because he was the original, um, he was no, he wasn't Blanka. He was, um, uh, that's the reason M. Bison. He was M. Bison. And you know what? And that was a really, and Jean-Claude Van Damme was, um, another character. No, he was not cause he talks like this. So he's not going to be the American guy. You know what I mean? Uh, I feel sure not. He's going to, well, I really liked how they used animation for the flashbacks. That was like really cool. Oh, that is cool. Now I know something in the movie. I didn't start off the, is this whole thing in the animation? I'm excited to see

1:16:46 it is time for your lightning. Yeah, I'm really excited. All right. So the lightning round we normally would use the Ouija board, but we've already determined we're not gonna do that today. So it's just simple. Yes or no answers. And there's like five to seven, whatever you want. Okay. Awesome. So for the first one, I really like, um, we've asked actually kind of a few of these questions as we were speaking anyways, but, um, pretty much should a horror movie have a sequel? No, no. Why not? Because if it's a contained story and it's really good and it has definitive ending, perfect. Not everything has to be, you know, she's, she's got what I call the, um, uh,

1:17:25 what's his name effect. That's not a yes or no answer. Oh, sorry. No. And the question was, does every horror movie deserve a sequel? So yeah, that would be a solid new. And sometimes you're like, Oh God, please no. No. Okay. And then have you ever written a character based on someone you know and not told them? Always. Really? That's an interesting one. That's not yes or no. So yes. And this one's kind of random, but is there a ghost in your house? Oh yeah. Really? Oh yeah. There's more than one. Okay. Have you ever been scared by your own script? Yes. Okay. All right. Will The Wailing Room become a feature waiting, waiting, waiting.

1:18:08 Sorry. Sorry. I said we didn't talk about the wheel. It's a little dark in here. Yeah. The way that, yeah, that's a short. It's a short. Yeah. It's gonna stay a short. Yeah. It's gonna stay short. Yeah. Sometimes sometimes when I do shorts is just to try stuff out, you know, like I'll get an idea for something and well, and we can talk about that after the lighting. And, uh, would you ever write a horror movie with Danny Trejo as the monster? Yeah. That sounds like fun. Really? Yeah. He would be a crazy monster. Well, technically he was a monster in a movie. I mean, he got killed pretty quickly, but I believe

1:18:48 he was in, um, uh, From Dusk Till Dawn. He turns into a vampire. That was a long time ago. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that was a, but that was a, that was an age defining like, but he was a vampire. Salma Hayek in that movie would just absolutely like, I think that, I think she would, I think that Salma Hayek in that movie made a lot of boys become men. The dancing snake. No, it just, she looks crazy. Shout out, Quentin Tarantino for being the creepiest person in the world. And, and mind you Hollywood story real quick. Do you remember the movie very well? Do you remember the guy who plays the gas station attendant?

1:19:28 Yeah. Okay. So I can't think of his name, but Landon will put it up in a little box here, but he happens to be in a band with the guy from Nightmare on Elm Street. And, um, that was in three. And I actually used to go watch them perform at their house. And one day I'm sitting there looking at him like, man, I've seen this guy in a movie before. And all of a sudden it clicks. And he's like, remember when he screams, he's like, I didn't say anything. They're like gonna kill him. But anyways, shout out that guy. They have a great band. We'll put it up. All right. I got one quick question about indie films. Who pays for indie genre films right now?

1:20:10 And what do they want to hear in the pitch? Who pays for it? Oh my gosh. Yeah. I mean, you've been involved with a lot of indie films. So one of the things I wanted to like try to always try to discuss is the making of films. You know, it was like, there's one thing to talk about the writing and all this stuff, like actually get them made. You have to have a budget. You have to be able to go out and pitch to an executive producer or future executive producer. Have you been involved in that on that side? Or are you like when I worked with The Wrecker, that was something that was already, that was being self-financed.

1:20:47 Well, self-financed by Niko. And then he would get other investors involved and people he knew or worked with. Such a network is such a relationship, relationship based business. That's what I'm going through right now. Everything. Yeah. And crowdfunding, I hate crowdfunding. Crowdfunding is tough. But people do. People make movie after movie because of crowdfunding. Can you explain what an indie film is? What a short film is? What a feature film is for people who don't know? Or is it all the same thing? Because I'm curious now that we're talking about indie films. Like what is it? I think right now it's the perfect time for indie filmmakers because we have the

1:21:32 internet and social media. Indie film basically is when a studio is not making it. Pretty much. So a lot of films are independent now and very few are actually studio films. Really, how a lot of things are getting made now, they're independent and then they get pitched to a studio after they're made. So like Obsession was an independent film that got pitched and then it got picked up. And once you get distribution. They're distribution. Yeah, it's really distribution. So when you start, the only thing that's not an independent film, in my understanding, and we'll fact check this, is something that was started out as a studio film.

1:22:07 Right. And so, and then a feature is anything over an hour, hour and 10 minutes or something like that or an hour. Probably over 70 minutes. I think 70 minutes has cut off. Yeah. Like The Devil's Heist was. But they're shorts that are like 60 minutes. I mean, there's like long, you know, 50 minute shorts. Yeah. They're like long short extended shorts, but. I just thought it'd be good for the audience. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not everybody's in the, that's a great question. But I have a couple of shorts that are literally a minute long. You know, it's a fully contained horror story. I can't even last a minute sometimes.

1:22:42 In writing. Don't ever say that. It does not look good. I set the bar low so I can prove, I can achieve, you know. I met my monologue. I met my one minute monologue. I want to go back in time before you said that. But I think the main thing is if you have an idea and you have the desire to do it, just do it. Yeah. You know, you don't have to wait for someone to give you the permission. And that's what your bio's all about anyway. Just do it anyway. Even if it sucks, do it. That's how you learn. So, you know, what's really interesting is if you think about it, most of the biggest films of all time that started off independent were horror.

1:23:30 Like you have the Blair Witch Project. Huge thing. The biggest money makers. But yeah, absolutely. But also it's, I think these movies are timeless because I can go to somebody and be like, you remember the Bear Witch Project or Blair Witch Project? Yeah, of course I do. Nightmare on Elm Street. Nobody wanted it. He showed it to people. Nobody wanted it. Even when they went and pitched it to, I think they showed it at Paramount Studios and they forgot the right ending. Still nobody wanted it. So they just released it themselves and it got the buzz. And when I feel about stuff like that is, that is the biggest win.

1:24:03 I don't think a win is going to have a studio make your film and fuck it up or make it better, whatever. The win is winning the people. And that's what I want to see more of is movies that you don't need. I love that shit. Like I hate to just bring this up, but Obsession is one of those movies to where somebody told me, watch it, watch it, watch it. And I watched the first five minutes three times and then I turned it off and I was like, that's what I'm saying. And then, well, then once I, well, then once I made it past that five minutes, I was like, Oh, Oh, Oh, this is the fucking film. And it's one of those things where people have such a short, it pissed myself.

1:24:47 I pissed my own self off because I didn't give it to that chance. And then when I did, I was telling everybody about it. Now the reason why I was, was this is what I always talk about in film when I'm just having normal conversations with people that I want to, I want them to see a movie I like. But one of the things that I noticed was, is, is that I don't need a film that stars somebody big. I don't need a film that's done by you, the paramounts, the this, and I don't get it twisted. We got a merger that just happened and hopefully somebody makes better movies. But I loved Obsession because I didn't care who made it,

1:25:22 who wrote it. I just cared that I've never seen these people before and that they made a movie that I watched twice and recommended it over and over again. This would be the movie that I would find and rent at a blockbuster and be like, you guys got to see this. And Curry, if you're looking to get on a podcast, the seats waiting. Yeah, no, a hundred percent. But honestly, like the one thing I would like, I would definitely love to have him or Indy ever. Actually, I have a direct connection to Curry. Yes. Curry, if you're seeing this, hit us up. We'll we pay in food. So he's on the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

1:26:00 Yeah, right now. He's so he said, you know, seven digits and everything but goes. Well, no, it's that's not even the talk of the town right now. The talk of the town is the movie that he's doing where somebody I think it was Seth Rogen side or side and said that he's he's such a powerhouse that he's that this is better than obsession. Yeah, you're going to you're going to think it's called Anything But Ghosts or anything. Yeah. And supposedly he's such a good actor in it. And that's what you need more of. And the funny thing is, is like, that's people preying on his downfall. You know what I mean? Like people that you made this obsession movie,

1:26:38 they're waiting for you to fuck up. So definitely don't fuck up, dude. And like, keep going with what you're doing because they're waiting for you to fuck up. There were people and people are just gross there. They see you do something and they want you to create the next fucking flop. But from to hear that out of another actor's mouth to be like, yo, this dude's a problem to me is exciting. And I can't wait to see this. So that knocked down everything I thought of because I was like, I hope they just don't take this dude and this actress and these people who love what they do and make them shit on themselves.

1:27:13 Yeah. And so yeah, keep that. If you're watching this, keep it up because that's what we want to see. We want to see more of you hiring. I mean, don't get it twisted. Like I love American Horror Story, but also I do get annoyed with the same actors obviously over and over again, even though it's beautifully done. I'm gonna watch the new one. But again, use new actors, use people we don't know, go out there and find them. 'cause when we were kids, they made movies like a Bronx tale and they went to the Bronx and, and, and found a hundred thousand kids and interviewed them and found the perfect kid for that. So find those actors, make everything good again,

1:27:52 make everything good again. So talking about Curry Barker, one thing that he did was great was he had such a great following on YouTube. You know, he put stuff up constantly. He didn't wait for permission. He just kept doing it. He learned to make film through putting out his own stuff. Right. Like this looks good. Okay. Yeah. And you, and YouTube is a great, you know, sounding board and a learning ground too. Cause I mean, it's gonna let you know whether you're making stuff that's worth seeing jokes about. So you haven't finished obsession, have you? I haven't. Okay. I watched like five minutes. Okay. So, so I think tonight Landon needs to see the rest of it or I'm gonna be

1:28:31 really upset with them because I want to know if what happened. Oh, you know what? You've probably seen so much stuff. You probably already know that, you know, 'cause that's, and I didn't not watch it because I didn't like it. I was started watching it and then in about five minutes and I was like, man, I'm really tired. I'm gonna fall asleep. I'm just gonna shut it off so I can do it like it's justice. And what is it on like Paramount or something? Netflix. It was on Netflix. Oh, and then my Netflix subscription screwed up and then I can never watch it again, but I just re-signed up like yesterday. So I can watch it. I'm usually pretty tired after these podcasts though.

1:29:06 So I'm probably gonna go up and pass out, but okay. Let's close with one more question. What piece of advice for horror fans who want to write, what piece of advice do you have for horror fans who want to write their first horror script? Just do it. Just do it. You know, sit down, you know, just, just do it. Experiment. You know, it's like, get people together. You know, it's like people say the whole time. You know, just, you know, use your phone. Use whatever you have. Make notes. Just voice dictates. Just do it. And then she walks into it. One piece of advice I'll give you is read newspaper clippings. 'cause a lot of the best stuff comes from real life situations and just think of it

1:29:49 as something that would scare the shit out of you. Make a horror movie about what's going on in Europe right now. Oh my God. Yeah. I think too, a lot of the older horror films had something too. You know, it's like, if you just want to be inspired, go watch. Yeah. I saw a Nightmare on Elm Street not too long ago. I mean, there was really something kind of cool about it. You know, even the graininess, same thing with Psycho Alfred Hitchcock. I love his house. It's right on sunset. Oh, really? Okay. So now here's another shameless plug for horrormeet.com. We have a thing called the Atlas. You can, um, it's a map.

1:30:28 You can zoom in on a particular area that you're in and you, it'll show you, um, several paranormal areas. Either some place where something paranormal has happened or in LA specifically, there's a lot, uh, places where they've shot horror films. So yeah, I think you can even search it now. I changed it recently to where you can type in Nightmare on Elm Street and then it'll show you all the ones that relate to that. And then you can click on it and you can hit Apple maps or Google maps and it'll show you how to get there. You can literally, you can do that from the website. It's really cool. People, that's probably the most entertaining part of the website that we

1:31:04 have right now. Yeah. On a date, dude. Yeah, I know on a date, like what should we do to the Nightmare on Elm Street house girls? He took me there one time. That's what's my date. You remember we met a bunch of, so if you go to that house, yeah, people will be literally driving by Filipino models. Yeah. If you want to find dates, you can find like supermodel was hanging out and he, and that's where the, it was after my, uh, pool boy premiere and he had his VHS camera. I always saw him on VHS. And, and that's where the, that's the night that we decided to write The Other Tenant. We started taking on ideas. See, there's something about VHS recorder that just makes it seem more scary.

1:31:42 I'll show you some of the stuff. That's awesome. All right guys. That was episode four of The Séance. Thank you so much guys. You're awesome. Let's make a movie. Sophia, before we end, where can they find your work? Where can they find your socials? Where can they find you? Don't give them your address because they actually will. sophialouisalee.com that has all my socials. Okay. Okay. And then you have YouTube and all this YouTube. You know, it's so funny. I just made it. Okay. I've been making a lot of concept trailers. Yeah. Because it's so much fun. Have you been publishing those?

1:32:31 I have. And, um, I did one, you know, this is published on YouTube too. I can go out and find it. Yeah. Um, I did one for, um, I was stuck in the parking lot, Hollywood & Highland for like two hours. So I made, you know, and I tell you, you made the parking lot. Um, it is over 9,000 views now. I know. I was just like, yeah. And you know, so I'm thinking, so you made that with AI. Yeah. I made the concept. You wrote it while you were actually stuck. Yeah. Cause I was in church. So she, she was stuck in a parking garage for like two hours for what, Hollywood Bowl or something. Yeah. It was such a, she was on like the six floor so she couldn't get out.

1:33:08 Like there were so many cars getting out and she was way at the top. It was one light that goes to, that goes out to Hollywood. And it was just parking. Yeah. It wound up just, uh, she was stuck there for like two hours. So she wrote, wrote a story about being stuck in a parking garage. And then the lights go off and then, you know, and the, um, there was a horror festival going on at the same time, Screamfest, Screamfest. You can also find on horrormeet.com. Yeah. That's one of the biggest, one of the bigger. Is that in your top five? Uh, number two. That's where paranormal activity, um, was first ever aired and it's right here in LA and that just happened and we didn't

1:33:52 go to it. I was so tired that you would have been stuck in the park. You did. Yeah. All right. So let's shoot Parking Level 6. You guys will be in it. Turn it into a demon. And I'm getting you to catalifaders. Last, uh, any last thing in your mind that you want to get off? Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, we appreciate you coming and watching. This is our fourth episode. Thank you, Landon. I want to thank Zac behind, um, the scenes. He's one of our really good friends. We're definitely having him on the show soon. He set up our new cameras and he actually is a producer director of producer director. Shout out Zac and Slava and Slava.

1:34:38 Slava, Slava, Slava and Freddy and Freddy with the co-star today too. And thank you guys all because without you guys, we'd still be without you guys. And so we love you all so much. And again, Oh, Freddy. All right guys, that is it for episode four of The Séance on horrormeet.com. We appreciate you. And until we see you again, keep the lights off.